Posts by adjusted knowledge

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Help with understanding

by Doltologist in

please take pity on me someone and help.. i was going to say that i suffer from aspergers syndrome but actually, i've come to rather enjoy it.. no, seriously, i really do have aspergers which is why my posts may seem a little odd to some of you.

ok, they may seem bloody odd to most of you.. my world exists in a binary frame.

things are or they are not.. i know that in the "real world" things might be or might not be as well as are and are not.

adjusted knowledge

Suggest that you take the time to research the area yourself, rather than me point you in a given direction.

The statement "the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James" was the obscured statement I was referencing in my original response. It is agreed by a majority of scholars that this statement is authentic. My reference: Louis Feldman American Professor of classic literature .

Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence by Robert E. Van Voorst pg 88

Josephus: The Essential Works by Flavius Josephus and Paul L. Maier 1995 pg 285

I personally don't know if Jesus exist, nor does anyone alive. However, your question was related to why people believe in him. I answered because of fear of death, and since there are some references to him by Josephus.

This thread wasn't originally an argument for the support or denial of the existent of Jesus, nor do I make an attempt at such a statement. I'm only stating why people believe in him, and now that not all believe the references in Josephus are not authentic as stated by you.

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Help with understanding

by Doltologist in

please take pity on me someone and help.. i was going to say that i suffer from aspergers syndrome but actually, i've come to rather enjoy it.. no, seriously, i really do have aspergers which is why my posts may seem a little odd to some of you.

ok, they may seem bloody odd to most of you.. my world exists in a binary frame.

things are or they are not.. i know that in the "real world" things might be or might not be as well as are and are not.

adjusted knowledge

Doltologist

he Josephus references were written in AD 93/94. One, even christian scholars agree, was tampered with by early christians though to what extent isn't know although the core document was still thought to be intact.

Could you give me a reference to those of scholarly repute that believe the text that referenced Jesus was tampered with? Also what text exactly is being disputed as a forgery?

Half banana

Josephus’ mention of Jesus had long ago been dismissed by textual scholars in the past as a forged insert into his text... but Christians now, in their desperate need to find Jesus as a real person, have resurrected the matter again in an attempt to make Jesus real.

Who are the textual scholars you are referencing and what specific insert is the claimed forgery?

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Help with understanding

by Doltologist in

please take pity on me someone and help.. i was going to say that i suffer from aspergers syndrome but actually, i've come to rather enjoy it.. no, seriously, i really do have aspergers which is why my posts may seem a little odd to some of you.

ok, they may seem bloody odd to most of you.. my world exists in a binary frame.

things are or they are not.. i know that in the "real world" things might be or might not be as well as are and are not.

adjusted knowledge

Given how obvious it is to me that jesus/god don't exist, how come so many people think they do?

Fear of death is a motivating factor in the belief of a God. Since neither the existence nor nonexistence of God can be proven, it leaves the way for many to believe. One could make an argument for a historical Jesus. I've only know of Flavius Josephus that made mention of Jesus around that time period (outside the writings of Jesus disciples). Josephus' reference was a vague reference too.

However, keep in mind that Socrates never wrote anything and all our knowledge comes from his students Plato and Xenophon. Similarly Jesus supposedly never wrote anything and all his teachings came from his students. Who was the real Socrates or real Jesus? Who knows, they've both been dead for thousands of year.

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Intelligent design my ass

by Doltologist in

so man was made by god in his image was he?.

so the human body was intelligently designed was it?.

you are kidding me !!.

adjusted knowledge

I heard these similar points from a speech given by Neil Degrasse Tyson.

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The Governing Body-Faded apostates?

by John Aquila in

ive been here less than a year, but ive notice that the majority of us have faded for various reasons.

we also read the stories of those who got disfellowshipped or disassociated themselves.

in the majority of the cases, their parents will not talk to the children for years and the children will not talk to the parents even if they are dying.

adjusted knowledge

It is quite possible that a good portion of the GB know the entire religion is BS. They know the TATT better than anyone. So not quite sure what you are getting at. Are we to feel some empathy because they may very well be non-believers? They or even one of them could make some attempts in meaningful reform. However, they still push no education, no blood, shunning, and horrible treatment of children that have been molested.

ust like us, bidding their time and enjoying what they have at the moment, until either they die or until the jig is up and it’s all gone.

Isn’t that what we are doing?

No, not at all. I left but my situation is different. Those that stay in faded are not responsible for the horrible policies that are enforced and written. These are men that make the rules, and are not simple "bidding their time." They are active in spreading lies and damaging the lives of countless ones.

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Are You "Technically" Still A Jehovah's Witness?

by minimus in

jw
friends

even if you don't regard yourself as a practicing jw, some may view you simply as inactive, a lost sheep, etc.. if you were baptized but not disfellowshipped or disassociated, you may still be a jw---right?

your thoughts please..

adjusted knowledge

I haven't given a field service report since 1999 and that was sporadic. The last time I was really active was 1995 when I was 18. I don't consider myself a witness nor does anyone else. I've had Elders visit and told me that if I was to come back nothing I did over the last two decades would matter. Seems kinda of strange that you can fade and be inactive and viewed as a lost sheep, but if disfellowship you're garbage.

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By “evolution,” we mean “macroevolution”—apes turning into humans, for example.

by FadingTruth in

august 2015 awake .

quote in title taken from article footnote.. anyone have information on who gene hwang and yan-der hsuuw in the article are?.

why do they repeatedly state that apes turned to humans when that's not what evolutionists teach at all?.

adjusted knowledge

The WT featured a Chinese scientist in one of their articles that converted to JW. He probably is used often for quotes so they have some credentials to their statements.

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Creationist Discovers 60 million Year Old Fish Fossils - Insists that they date to Noah's Flood 4500 years ago

by OrphanCrow in

it is astounding that someone like this creationist can have no appreciation for the scientific significance of his discovery.

even in the face of evidence to the contrary, those who chose to believe rather than know will never forsake their ignorance.. alberta creationist discovers rare fish fossils in basement dig (full article and video).

"an alberta man who discovered a school of rare fossilized fish while digging up a calgary basement believes the world was created by god a few thousand years ago.. it's for that reason edgar nernberg doesn't think the fossils could possibly be as old as paleontologists are estimating.. "i subscribe to the creationist position, and i believe they were laid down in noah's flood, about 4,500 years ago.

adjusted knowledge

I worked with a manager that was a devout Baptist. He gave a similar response to carbon 14. He also didn't believe in dinosaurs. He claims all fossil records were manufactured and a conspiracy (lies). I didn't bother arguing with him. I was once like him, but then again I was a 15 year old JW at the time.

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If you found out TTATT at 80 and spent your entire life at Bethel, what would you do?

by John Aquila in

would you do a ray franz deal and write a book or keep quiet and live out the rest of your life in bethel?.

would you keep reading the watchtower magazine?.

adjusted knowledge

I would do a porno with other 80 year olds from the local assisted living facility, and use the JW studio. It would be next months broadcast.

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Creationist Discovers 60 million Year Old Fish Fossils - Insists that they date to Noah's Flood 4500 years ago

by OrphanCrow in

it is astounding that someone like this creationist can have no appreciation for the scientific significance of his discovery.

even in the face of evidence to the contrary, those who chose to believe rather than know will never forsake their ignorance.. alberta creationist discovers rare fish fossils in basement dig (full article and video).

"an alberta man who discovered a school of rare fossilized fish while digging up a calgary basement believes the world was created by god a few thousand years ago.. it's for that reason edgar nernberg doesn't think the fossils could possibly be as old as paleontologists are estimating.. "i subscribe to the creationist position, and i believe they were laid down in noah's flood, about 4,500 years ago.

adjusted knowledge

I think it is foolish to put dates on things like this because men cannot be trusted and are - sadly - LIARS and scam artist who will sell their mothers for money or fame. For everyone make such a claim, you can find another scientist making a counter claim.

The beauty of scientific research is that the data is reported, and is tested by other scientist. It is standard scientific method to date with carbon 14 to get an accurate date, in addition to other methods.